David Deangelo, Mr. L. Rx , Neil Strauss, Mystery Method Compared
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The top five Dating Tip/Review WebSites by Alexa.com's ranking as of July 2008 are as follows: Double your Dating (David Deangelo)- 12,987, Dating To Relating (Mr. L. Rx)- 43,381, The Seduction Chronicles - 52,287, Style Life (Neil Strauss) - 61,225, The Mystery Method (Mystery) - 62,997.
I've bought all these materials - books and systems - and have tried them all. I have been a student of these kinds of materials for five years now. My ranking based on how well it will work for the average guy is as follows (I am excluding The Seduction Chronicles as it is not a Guru site.) 1. Dating To Relating (Mr. L. Rx) 2. Double Your Dating (David DeAngelo) 3. Tie - The Mystery Method (Mystery) and StyleLife.com (Neil Strauss).
Dating To Relating. Absolutely the BEST product out there. The education you get from this book is tops. No matter what you are looking for you will get the answers here. If you want quick brainless techniques - they are here. If you want sophisticated intellectual understanding of women - it is here. It is not just a bunch of pick up lines, and techniques (although it gives you that too.) It is a complete education about women and what works.
What is outstanding about this book is that the information presented is SITUATIONAL and will work for any type of guy and will work on any type of woman that you are interested in. So if you want to purchase a book that will have a very high chance of actually working for you, this is the one. That is what we liked about this information. None of the other information we reviewed had total SITUATIONAL data that covers any situation you may
encounter.
The author, Mr. L. Rx, does not give you just one robotic technique of how to meet women in bars or clubs, or on the internet, or how to get over on one personality type. He covers it all. From on the street, to bars and clubs, to on the internet, in the store, etc. Mr. L. Rx tell you how to meet women and tells you how to meet different types of women with different types of personalities in different types of situations. None of the other gurus really
approach it like this.
Double Your Dating. Double Your Dating is an awesome source of data for men. With his "Dating Guru Series " this is undoubtedly the largest compilation of data to help men ever assembled. David DeAngelo now has scores of other products to help men overcome their fears and "wussiness" with women, besides the original product.
I personally bought his original product and the Dating Guru Interview series. These are awesome products. I've still subscribe to the Guru Series. I think David's stuff is a perfect complement to Mr. l. Rx's system and I would recommend to anyone who has the ability to buy more than one system to get this product in addition to Dating To Relating above.
The reason being that Dating To Relating teaches you how to develop your own techniques and Double Your Dating gives you a lot of data to help stir your creative juices to help you develop those unique techniques. David has a free daily newsletter that is absolutely great.
The downside is that David has not put everything about women together as well as Mr. L. Rx. He doesn't get into relationship information and it is obvious he doesn't understand women as well as Mr. l. Rx does. The biggest problem is he ultimately focuses on one strategy and doesn't quite get the situational approach of Mr. L. Rx. So, David's stuff will work for some guys, but it won't work for ALL guys - Mr. L. Rx's system is a system that will work for ALL guys and ALL types of girls.
Mystery Method and Style Life/The Game/Neil Strauss. I'm combining them here as they are more or less coming from the same technique. Neil was a student of Mystery as he describes in "The Game."
Now these are not my top recommendations, but out of the 50 or so Gurus on the internet they are definitely at the top. In conjunction with the above two products - "Dating To Relating" and "Double Your Dating" they can have decent value. On their own, I would not recommend them for the common guy. Their techniques definitely work, but they only work on a narrow band of what I would label shallow women.
Mystery and Neil Strauss's techniques are very powerful and work, but the end product is you might not like the kind of girls you get as a result of this, and you might not like who you are being as you do this. Plus a major drawback is that a lot of their techniques are just memorized lines. Even Neil Strauss has admitted that "The Game is changing." So many guys have learned his and Mystery's pick up lines and routines that women have heard them before and recognize them and men are getting busted for using them.
There are even gurus on the internet who took Mystery's training and were successful at it, but gave it up and don't practice it anymore. I think that says a lot about the approach, it works but it is not something that guys are totally comfortable with.
The value of these materials is that if you are really interested in being a "player" as your life's ambition, there is value in getting this information in conjunction with Mr. L. Rx's data. Mr. L. Rx actually gives you more strategies to be a player with, but Mystery gives you more information on this one strategy with this one "type" of woman than Mr. L. Rx does. Mystery and Neil give you a lot more information that you can create with once you get and understand Mr. L. Rx's tools.
So, if you are the kind of guy like me who is very interested in being very skilled at this "meeting women" stuff, then I would say these materials (The Mystery Method and "The Game") are also a MUST for your library in addition to "Dating To Relating" and "Double Your Dating.
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I've bought all these materials - books and systems - and have tried them all. I have been a student of these kinds of materials for five years now. My ranking based on how well it will work for the average guy is as follows (I am excluding The Seduction Chronicles as it is not a Guru site.) 1. Dating To Relating (Mr. L. Rx) 2. Double Your Dating (David DeAngelo) 3. Tie - The Mystery Method (Mystery) and StyleLife.com (Neil Strauss).
Dating To Relating. Absolutely the BEST product out there. The education you get from this book is tops. No matter what you are looking for you will get the answers here. If you want quick brainless techniques - they are here. If you want sophisticated intellectual understanding of women - it is here. It is not just a bunch of pick up lines, and techniques (although it gives you that too.) It is a complete education about women and what works.
What is outstanding about this book is that the information presented is SITUATIONAL and will work for any type of guy and will work on any type of woman that you are interested in. So if you want to purchase a book that will have a very high chance of actually working for you, this is the one. That is what we liked about this information. None of the other information we reviewed had total SITUATIONAL data that covers any situation you may
encounter.
The author, Mr. L. Rx, does not give you just one robotic technique of how to meet women in bars or clubs, or on the internet, or how to get over on one personality type. He covers it all. From on the street, to bars and clubs, to on the internet, in the store, etc. Mr. L. Rx tell you how to meet women and tells you how to meet different types of women with different types of personalities in different types of situations. None of the other gurus really
approach it like this.
Double Your Dating. Double Your Dating is an awesome source of data for men. With his "Dating Guru Series " this is undoubtedly the largest compilation of data to help men ever assembled. David DeAngelo now has scores of other products to help men overcome their fears and "wussiness" with women, besides the original product.
I personally bought his original product and the Dating Guru Interview series. These are awesome products. I've still subscribe to the Guru Series. I think David's stuff is a perfect complement to Mr. l. Rx's system and I would recommend to anyone who has the ability to buy more than one system to get this product in addition to Dating To Relating above.
The reason being that Dating To Relating teaches you how to develop your own techniques and Double Your Dating gives you a lot of data to help stir your creative juices to help you develop those unique techniques. David has a free daily newsletter that is absolutely great.
The downside is that David has not put everything about women together as well as Mr. L. Rx. He doesn't get into relationship information and it is obvious he doesn't understand women as well as Mr. l. Rx does. The biggest problem is he ultimately focuses on one strategy and doesn't quite get the situational approach of Mr. L. Rx. So, David's stuff will work for some guys, but it won't work for ALL guys - Mr. L. Rx's system is a system that will work for ALL guys and ALL types of girls.
Mystery Method and Style Life/The Game/Neil Strauss. I'm combining them here as they are more or less coming from the same technique. Neil was a student of Mystery as he describes in "The Game."
Now these are not my top recommendations, but out of the 50 or so Gurus on the internet they are definitely at the top. In conjunction with the above two products - "Dating To Relating" and "Double Your Dating" they can have decent value. On their own, I would not recommend them for the common guy. Their techniques definitely work, but they only work on a narrow band of what I would label shallow women.
Mystery and Neil Strauss's techniques are very powerful and work, but the end product is you might not like the kind of girls you get as a result of this, and you might not like who you are being as you do this. Plus a major drawback is that a lot of their techniques are just memorized lines. Even Neil Strauss has admitted that "The Game is changing." So many guys have learned his and Mystery's pick up lines and routines that women have heard them before and recognize them and men are getting busted for using them.
There are even gurus on the internet who took Mystery's training and were successful at it, but gave it up and don't practice it anymore. I think that says a lot about the approach, it works but it is not something that guys are totally comfortable with.
The value of these materials is that if you are really interested in being a "player" as your life's ambition, there is value in getting this information in conjunction with Mr. L. Rx's data. Mr. L. Rx actually gives you more strategies to be a player with, but Mystery gives you more information on this one strategy with this one "type" of woman than Mr. L. Rx does. Mystery and Neil give you a lot more information that you can create with once you get and understand Mr. L. Rx's tools.
So, if you are the kind of guy like me who is very interested in being very skilled at this "meeting women" stuff, then I would say these materials (The Mystery Method and "The Game") are also a MUST for your library in addition to "Dating To Relating" and "Double Your Dating.
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Tuesday, January 13, 2009 | 0 Comments
David DeAngelo: The Secret Files
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By David DeAngelo
I'm going to do something in this article that I almost NEVER do...
I'm going to share with you part of a real-life conversation that I had with a woman online in the past. Again, this is something that I VERY rarely do... (so feel special and loved).
It's a small part of a bigger conversation, so keep that in mind as you read it.
This little chunk of conversation is a great example of how to tease, be Cocky & Funny, and generally give a woman a hard time... and it shows how this particular girl was responding.
Read it, and then I'll comment on it...
HER: you remind me of the boy on the playground who pulls the girls pigtails
ME: The one you always liked?
HER: i dont like too many boys
ME: Yea, but you liked that one
HER: and especially mean ones
ME: And you LOVE me
HER: nah they never pulled my pigtails
HER: i scare boys
ME: That's because you always dressed like a boy
ME: And they mistook you for one
HER: nah its because im smarter than them
ME: Hm
ME: Maybe that's why I'm so intimidated by you
ME: And scared to pull your pigtails
HER: oh yeah you're intimidated alright
HER: NOT
HER: the only reason im talking to you is because you're not afraid of me
ME: Oh, but I am
HER: the ones that live in fear of me bore me
ME: I'm scared
HER: you suck at lying
ME: Shaking, really
HER: oh geez
HER: dont every go into acting
ME: Don't every go into spelling
NOTE: This is the EXACT text from the ACTUAL conversation. No modifications were made at all to the text. Only the names have been modified to hide identities.
OK, so who was this girl?
She was an actress and model, and a high-achiever as well. She was beautiful, intelligent, and SHARP AS A TACK.
In other words, I wasn't dealing with an average girl here. I was talking to a woman who was IN DEMAND, AND SHE KNEW IT. (Most women know at some level that they're in demand, by the way. This one just happened to be particularly sassy.)
How would an average guy who was online chatting with random people have handled this? Probably like so:
HER: you remind me of the boy on the playground who pulls the girls pigtails
AVERAGE GUY: Why's that?
HER: i dont like too many boys
AVERAGE GUY: Why not? What kind of guy do you
like?
HER: and especially mean ones
AVERAGE GUY: I'm not a mean guy
HER: boys never pulled my pigtails
HER: i scare boys
AVERAGE GUY: Wow, you must be beautiful
HER: nah its because im smarter than them
AVERAGE GUY: I love smart women. ...blah blah blah.
SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
Let's talk about a few of the things that happened in the original conversation.
It started out with her telling me that I remind her of the boy on the playground that pulls the girls pigtails.
Now, what does THAT mean?
IT MEANS SHE'S GETTING A LITTLE ANNOYED... BUT AT THE SAME TIME HAVING FUN.
It means that she's PLAYING with me.
Of course, in the conversation that took place before this segment, I was teasing her, busting on her, telling her that her modeling pictures were ugly and dorky, and everything else.
When she told me that I reminded her of the boy who pulls girls' pigtails, I said "YES!" to myself, because I knew she was REALLY enjoying it.
My answer, "The one you always liked" took her somewhat ball-busting comment and turned it around on her. Then, when she tried to deny it by saying "I don't like too many boys" I just pressed on with "Yea, but you liked that one". Then she said "and especially mean ones" and I said "And you LOVE me".
Bingo!
She was at a dead end here, and she knew it. I had her number, and she couldn't deny it. So she took a slightly different direction with "I scare boys".
Now, most guys would have been stumped with a comment like this. Her comments weren't having any effect on me, so she tried to puff her chest a bit and say "I scare boys".
I came right back with "That's because you always dressed like a boy... and they mistook you for one".
HA!
I love it when I crack myself up.
Of course, she kept trying to sound superior, and said "Nah, it's because I'm smarter than them".
OK, now notice what I did after that comment...
I said "Hm... Maybe that's why I'm so intimidated by you... and scared to pull your pigtails".
What am I doing here?
I'm being SO cocky and sarcastic that I'm actually making fun of the fact that she's ANYTHING but intimidating to me. The fact is that I've been "verbally" pulling her pigtails the whole time, and she knows it!
So she answers "Yea, you're intimidated alright...
NOT".
Now, I want to point out a KEY phrase that this girl said to me. She said:
"...the only reason im talking to you is because you're not afraid of me..."
Whoa. Isn't THAT interesting? What do you think that might mean?
Could it mean that she IMMEDIATELY dismisses men who ARE intimidated by her?
Could it mean that this is one of the FIRST things she wants to know when she starts talking to a man?
Could it mean that she has all kinds of TESTS that she uses early on... tests that most men NEVER EVEN REALIZE ARE TESTS... that she uses to determine whether or not a guy is intimidated by her?
Could it mean that this is happening all the time to guys all over the world, and they don't even know it?
Could it mean that most guys will try to act nice and accommodating... and kiss ass... and act like they want a woman to approve of them... only to have it backfire and drive the woman away?
Could it mean that she's showing me HER hand and subtly telling me that I'm winning her over?
I realize that I'm taking this to an extreme here, but guess what?
THE ANSWERS ARE:
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, AND YES!
If I would have responded to her like a dumb-ass Wussy (as in the fake example above) she would have hit the road faster than Steve McQueen!
And at the end, I continued to play the sarcasm and act afraid of her... until the very end, where one of my personal FAVORITES happened: She misspelled a word!
She said "don't every go into acting" (she meant "don't EVER go into acting").
I shot back "Don't every go into spelling".
A beautiful moment... perfect. So there you have it. An example of me being Cocky & Funny with a real girl, in a real conversation... unedited.
What's the lesson?
Well, it's a few things:
1) Don't act like a Wussy when you're around women and ESPECIALLY when you're around extremely attractive, high profile women. They hate it, and they run.
2) You must demonstrate a few key beliefs and abilities to women when you first start talking to them. One of those is that you don't fear women (her), and another is that you can be comfortable around them (her).
3) There is a MORE SUBTLE game being played out when you first start interacting with a woman. She's going to make literally DOZENS of decisions about you based on NOTHING other than the way you COMMUNICATE and appear to her.
If you screw it up, it's over.
Attraction isn't a CHOICE. And if she doesn't feel it for you after she makes her initial impression of you, then you're probably not going to get another chance. And her ATTRACTION is going to be based on all kinds of things that are NOT AT ALL obvious to most men.
Source : Robrob8
I'm going to do something in this article that I almost NEVER do...
I'm going to share with you part of a real-life conversation that I had with a woman online in the past. Again, this is something that I VERY rarely do... (so feel special and loved).
It's a small part of a bigger conversation, so keep that in mind as you read it.
This little chunk of conversation is a great example of how to tease, be Cocky & Funny, and generally give a woman a hard time... and it shows how this particular girl was responding.
Read it, and then I'll comment on it...
HER: you remind me of the boy on the playground who pulls the girls pigtails
ME: The one you always liked?
HER: i dont like too many boys
ME: Yea, but you liked that one
HER: and especially mean ones
ME: And you LOVE me
HER: nah they never pulled my pigtails
HER: i scare boys
ME: That's because you always dressed like a boy
ME: And they mistook you for one
HER: nah its because im smarter than them
ME: Hm
ME: Maybe that's why I'm so intimidated by you
ME: And scared to pull your pigtails
HER: oh yeah you're intimidated alright
HER: NOT
HER: the only reason im talking to you is because you're not afraid of me
ME: Oh, but I am
HER: the ones that live in fear of me bore me
ME: I'm scared
HER: you suck at lying
ME: Shaking, really
HER: oh geez
HER: dont every go into acting
ME: Don't every go into spelling
NOTE: This is the EXACT text from the ACTUAL conversation. No modifications were made at all to the text. Only the names have been modified to hide identities.
OK, so who was this girl?
She was an actress and model, and a high-achiever as well. She was beautiful, intelligent, and SHARP AS A TACK.
In other words, I wasn't dealing with an average girl here. I was talking to a woman who was IN DEMAND, AND SHE KNEW IT. (Most women know at some level that they're in demand, by the way. This one just happened to be particularly sassy.)
How would an average guy who was online chatting with random people have handled this? Probably like so:
HER: you remind me of the boy on the playground who pulls the girls pigtails
AVERAGE GUY: Why's that?
HER: i dont like too many boys
AVERAGE GUY: Why not? What kind of guy do you
like?
HER: and especially mean ones
AVERAGE GUY: I'm not a mean guy
HER: boys never pulled my pigtails
HER: i scare boys
AVERAGE GUY: Wow, you must be beautiful
HER: nah its because im smarter than them
AVERAGE GUY: I love smart women. ...blah blah blah.
SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
Let's talk about a few of the things that happened in the original conversation.
It started out with her telling me that I remind her of the boy on the playground that pulls the girls pigtails.
Now, what does THAT mean?
IT MEANS SHE'S GETTING A LITTLE ANNOYED... BUT AT THE SAME TIME HAVING FUN.
It means that she's PLAYING with me.
Of course, in the conversation that took place before this segment, I was teasing her, busting on her, telling her that her modeling pictures were ugly and dorky, and everything else.
When she told me that I reminded her of the boy who pulls girls' pigtails, I said "YES!" to myself, because I knew she was REALLY enjoying it.
My answer, "The one you always liked" took her somewhat ball-busting comment and turned it around on her. Then, when she tried to deny it by saying "I don't like too many boys" I just pressed on with "Yea, but you liked that one". Then she said "and especially mean ones" and I said "And you LOVE me".
Bingo!
She was at a dead end here, and she knew it. I had her number, and she couldn't deny it. So she took a slightly different direction with "I scare boys".
Now, most guys would have been stumped with a comment like this. Her comments weren't having any effect on me, so she tried to puff her chest a bit and say "I scare boys".
I came right back with "That's because you always dressed like a boy... and they mistook you for one".
HA!
I love it when I crack myself up.
Of course, she kept trying to sound superior, and said "Nah, it's because I'm smarter than them".
OK, now notice what I did after that comment...
I said "Hm... Maybe that's why I'm so intimidated by you... and scared to pull your pigtails".
What am I doing here?
I'm being SO cocky and sarcastic that I'm actually making fun of the fact that she's ANYTHING but intimidating to me. The fact is that I've been "verbally" pulling her pigtails the whole time, and she knows it!
So she answers "Yea, you're intimidated alright...
NOT".
Now, I want to point out a KEY phrase that this girl said to me. She said:
"...the only reason im talking to you is because you're not afraid of me..."
Whoa. Isn't THAT interesting? What do you think that might mean?
Could it mean that she IMMEDIATELY dismisses men who ARE intimidated by her?
Could it mean that this is one of the FIRST things she wants to know when she starts talking to a man?
Could it mean that she has all kinds of TESTS that she uses early on... tests that most men NEVER EVEN REALIZE ARE TESTS... that she uses to determine whether or not a guy is intimidated by her?
Could it mean that this is happening all the time to guys all over the world, and they don't even know it?
Could it mean that most guys will try to act nice and accommodating... and kiss ass... and act like they want a woman to approve of them... only to have it backfire and drive the woman away?
Could it mean that she's showing me HER hand and subtly telling me that I'm winning her over?
I realize that I'm taking this to an extreme here, but guess what?
THE ANSWERS ARE:
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, AND YES!
If I would have responded to her like a dumb-ass Wussy (as in the fake example above) she would have hit the road faster than Steve McQueen!
And at the end, I continued to play the sarcasm and act afraid of her... until the very end, where one of my personal FAVORITES happened: She misspelled a word!
She said "don't every go into acting" (she meant "don't EVER go into acting").
I shot back "Don't every go into spelling".
A beautiful moment... perfect. So there you have it. An example of me being Cocky & Funny with a real girl, in a real conversation... unedited.
What's the lesson?
Well, it's a few things:
1) Don't act like a Wussy when you're around women and ESPECIALLY when you're around extremely attractive, high profile women. They hate it, and they run.
2) You must demonstrate a few key beliefs and abilities to women when you first start talking to them. One of those is that you don't fear women (her), and another is that you can be comfortable around them (her).
3) There is a MORE SUBTLE game being played out when you first start interacting with a woman. She's going to make literally DOZENS of decisions about you based on NOTHING other than the way you COMMUNICATE and appear to her.
If you screw it up, it's over.
Attraction isn't a CHOICE. And if she doesn't feel it for you after she makes her initial impression of you, then you're probably not going to get another chance. And her ATTRACTION is going to be based on all kinds of things that are NOT AT ALL obvious to most men.
Source : Robrob8
Tuesday, January 13, 2009 | 0 Comments
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